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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#16 by mikejee , Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:52 pm

I realise that Phil, unfortunate as it is, as i never saw the area in the flesh

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#17 by winkle , Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:26 am

Thank you gentlemen, perfect, as usual. So, this is the final list?

BULL RING / MARKET PUBS 1940s

1 SWAN HOTEL, Swan Passage
2 COMET, High Street
3 BELL INN, 7 Phillips Street
4 BOARD INN, Phillips Street / High Street
5 WOOLPACK HOTEL, 8-9 Moor Street
6 TAMWORTH ARMS, 5 Moor Street
7 PHOENIX HOTEL, 3 Park Street
8 RED LION, Bull Ring
9 ROYAL GEORGE, 143 Digbeth / Park Street
10 CASTLE AND FALCON, Meriden Street / Digbeth
11 TALBOT, Moat Lane
12 ST MARTINS HOTEL, St Martins Lane
13 WAGON & HORSES and/or CROWN, Edgbaston Street
14 GRAND TURK / LEICESTER ARMS / COACH AND HORSES, Bell Street / Lease Lane
15 BOARD VAULTS, 53 Worcester Street / Bell Street
16 SYDENHAM HOTEL (CRITERION), Edgbaston Street / Pershore Street
17 DROVERS ARMS, Smithfield Street / Bradford Street
18 BIRMINGHAM ARMS, 1 Moat Row / Sherlock Street East
19 CRITERION (BROOK VAULTS), Jamaica Row
20 HOP POLE, Upper Dean Street / Pershore Street
21 BLACK SWAN INN, Bromsgrove Street / Market Street
22 NEW INN, 191- 194 Bromsgrove Street
23 SMITHFIELD ARMS, Jamaica Row
24 CROSS KEYS, 91 Jamaica Row / Sherlock Street

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#18 by winkle , Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:27 am

So, lets now haul ourselves back 50 years to the 1888 era. Here is your next assignment, should you choose to accept... eight more pubs that wren't there in the 40s Map (I think)...

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1888 PUBS

1. SPREAD EAGLE, Spiceal St
2. Worcester St
3. Worcester St
4. Old Meeting St
5. Dudley St
6. Edgbaston St
7. Edgbaston St
8. Edgbaston St

The only one I know for sure is the Spread Eagle in Spiceal St, where Woolworths was built...

But this is a bit of a mystery. In this pic of 1887 (only a year before the Map is dated) the pub the APPLE Tree can be clearly seen in DUDLEY STREET (Street sign confirms). If so, the pub on the opposite side is not named (with the big Pub Lamp outside, next to Satchwells shop), but appears to be where no 6 is on the map. But then the Acorn would not be marked on the map. Is it me? HELP!!!

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#19 by phil ( deleted ) , Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:05 am

Winkle

I'm a bit busy this morning but I'll just suggest these three before I go out. No 1 the Criterion, No 2 The New Market Inn, No 3 the Turks Head (another one).

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#20 by mikejee , Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:12 pm

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I don’t think the building with a lamp is a pub. Going from 1888 Kellys, Satchwells is at 62 Dudley St. On the opposite side of the road it says ”Kendalls late Keel Good hats”, and says that is opposite. The building with lamp is next to Satchwells and opposite, and nos 58-60 is Joseph Kendall, hatter. (Incidently the other side of Satchwells is Ezekial Holyhead, grocer, the last shop on that side of Dudley St). The c 1889 map shows where the apple Tree would be approx in green (for apples), and the building with advert for Kendalls in yellow. I would guess no 62 (Satchwells would be as marked. This is confirmed as you can see on map where Kings Head pub is and the name “..AD HOTEL” is on wall in picture. The 1988 directory does not give any nos between the Kings Head and the junction (agreeing with the map), but the 1884 directory lists no 63 , William Flavell, beer retailer. In the 1881 census it is run by George & harriet smith, and he is just described as a beerhouse keeper (no name), but McKenna confirms no 63 was the Aplple Tree, purchased by Ashtead brewery in 1881, wjich is not long before demolition


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#21 by mikejee , Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:18 pm

Sorry. forgot to say additions and now can't alter attached file. hope this works


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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#22 by winkle , Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:55 pm

Quote: mikejee wrote in post #21
Sorry. forgot to say additions and now can't alter attached file. hope this works


Wow, superb research, as ever Mike. Bilmey, I note (my poor old eyes!) can nearly make out the names of Nos 4 and 6 on my List!!! That would only leave 7 and 8 to get, and they are quite near. Can you print and post us a BIGGER map area? Or just fill in the List? I think 4 in Old Meeting St is the 'Oddfellows Lodge'? My cup runneth over...and i think young Phil may be wrong (although this will be an historic first, he is usually bang on when I challenge him, the bounder) and No 1 is the Spread Eagle and not the Criterion, as he said before he went out) unless this was it's former or latter name? Any comments?

1. SPREAD EAGLE, Spiceal St
2. NEW MARKET TAVERN, Worcester St
3. TURKS HEAD, Worcester St
4. ? ODDFELLOWS LODGE, Old Meeting St
5. KINGS HEAD HOTEL, Dudley St
6. Edgbaston St
7. Edgbaston St
8. Edgbaston St


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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#23 by phil ( deleted ) , Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:25 pm

My list would read

1. Criterion 14 Spiceal St
2. New Market Inn 68 Worcester Street
3. Turks Head 71 Worcester St
4. Goodfellows Lodge 4 Old Meeting St
5. Kings Head Hotel
6. Criterion (No 2) 43 Edgbaston St
7. Old Saracens Head 20 Edgbaston St
8. The Rose 68 1/2 Edgbaston St.


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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#24 by winkle , Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:09 pm

Quote: phil wrote in post #23
My list would read

1. Criterion 14 Spiceal St
2. New Market Inn 68 Worcester Street
3. Turks Head 71 Worcester St
4. Goodfellows Lodge 4 Old Meeting St
5. Kings Head Hotel
6. Criterion (No 2) 43 Edgbaston St
7. Old Saracens Head 20 Edgbaston St
8. The Rose 68 1/2 Edgbaston St.


Quote: phil wrote in post #23
My list would read

1. Criterion 14 Spiceal St
2. New Market Inn 68 Worcester Street
3. Turks Head 71 Worcester St
4. Goodfellows Lodge 4 Old Meeting St
5. Kings Head Hotel
6. Criterion (No 2) 43 Edgbaston St
7. Old Saracens Head 20 Edgbaston St
8. The Rose 68 1/2 Edgbaston St.


Double drat! He got me again. Spread Eagle must have changed to Criterion sometime...same address listed in Price's book...

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#25 by mollymandysb , Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:40 pm

as you all know i m not a brummie myself (chester) but moved to the city in the 60s. are any of these old places left or have they all been demolished. if i were a citizen of birmingham i would be really annoyed that my city was being demolished without a trace of any of the old places. other towns and cities leave some of their history, shrewsbury has an old building dating 1600s, apart from a lot of the old shuts and fish alley, which is a very old cobbled street still with the same shops. birmingham council have a lot to answer for.

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#26 by phil ( deleted ) , Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:57 pm

Steph

Of the two lists I don't think any of the pubs are left. The Royal George was rebuilt a couple of times, but the last I heard of it was closed. The Talbot was replaced by a new pub but that has been renamed a couple of time, it's called The Bull Ring Tavern at the moment, but I don't know how long that will last because I've heard that a mate of mine that has owned it for the last ten years has just sold it and I don't think the new owners want it for a pub.

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#27 by mikejee , Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:03 pm

Is this better for you?

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#28 by winkle , Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:20 pm

Quote: mikejee wrote in post #27
Is this better for you?


Yes, stunning quality Mike. Now just can we see the next equally big section bit along Edgbaston Street? This will confirm Phil's names...not that I don't belive him, but if I post it elsewhere, it would be nice to see the names...I have never mastered those old detailed street maps you produce so effortlessly...

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#29 by mikejee , Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:44 pm

Edgebaston st

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RE: Pubs and Inns of the Bull Ring and Market area from 1940s

#30 by winkle , Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:48 pm

Great, thanks Mike, most useful. Now, another query for your, or anyone else's, mapping and detective skills. This photo was posted on another Planet (I can't remember which Galaxy just now), but the caption (presumably added by the postee) said it was "Cattle and Pig Market, Montague Street". This didn't make sense to me, for although there is a Montague Street near Town, I have never heard or read that it had a Market therein? Any ideas? Is it me?

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