Holder Family History Birmingham - All things

Lynn

Practice makes perfect, I'm also mystified concerning the florets on the tokens. Could the references to Cotrill & St Pauls have anything to do with them?

Lyn

A quick search tells me that they were refreshment tokens made by E Cottrill of St Pauls Square Birmingham who supplied many such similar establishments in Birmingham

Phil,
In 1846 when Henry Holder opened Holders Grand Concert Hall he was the proprietor of the Rodney Inn next door at 87,Coleshill Street
These were refreshment Tokens.
I have a few tokens that are identical to the one with the floretts on - minis the floretts. I just wondered if this florett one had been issued for a special visit or something, or some sort of special ocassion. Shall keep looking.Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
This is the one that is more common with no floretts.
Lynn.

Lynn

I don't suppose you have a date for the tokens with the florets on them do you? we might be able to work something out from that?

Phil,
Good thinking but no I don't have a date, except that it was:-
1846 that it all started with the Rodney Inn in 87,Coleshill Street and then he gradually took over 88,89,and ?90
1861 it was all called Holder's Concert Hall so would I guess that - The Rodney Tokens would have been the earlier ones from 1846 onwards, before they started having Holder's Concert Hall tokens.
Don't know .
I've sent an email to a Metal Detecting site so lets see if they come up with anything.
Thanks for your thinking on that.
Lynn.

I don't know if you have seen this below, from "Guide list of Public houses on Metallic Checks, birmingham & smethwick 1830-1910", pub by birm Museum & Art Gallery 1978. It is a list of checks thta they were aware of in various museums.
As you can see at the end, there were other Rodneys issuing tokens.

Mike, Thanks sooooooooo much for this. There is a lot of information to look at here. W B explained - a question I've wondered about on one of my tokensBild entfernt (keine Rechte)
Then you have the name Dr.W.T.Belcher as the organist - I need to investigate that name with more recent times and see if there is a connection, with a more recent Belcher - I'll get down to that as soon as I can and will let you know.
Mike:- If you have the book or {can I look at it on line} - would you be able to explain, if you can all the lettering - for e.g. the top line MG - Ref No 941 { I take that to be Birm Museum & Art Gallery} and I suppost Collection F would be to do with them as well. I guess the best thing for me to do here is contact them when I understand the system a little better, and ask them what all the letters under the Collection heading mean.
This has been a lovely post to awaken up to this morning.
Lynn.

So date wise Phil from the Token with W B on it, as you can seen on Token above and from Mikes post of Dr W B Belcher playing the organ it looks like the date is around 1846, so this special florett one must have been in and around that time. Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
Lynn.