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Below is c1890 (probably survey around 1887) of Tennant St showing where I think 43 may have been. I am not certain because , although the directories around 1880 put it north of the school, some of the later ones I(where it is listed) put it south of the school. The school is the building on the right by the S in Street from tenant St. the 1880 census does not show a Burgess in the immediate area , and in fact no 43 is not listed ! But there is a tin worker , a tin polisher and a dipper (possibly tin) in the surrounding 20 or so houses on that side of the street, so there is possibly a tin factory nearby.
The 1890 census shows a Richard Burgess (7), son of Alfred L Burgess, furniture remover (37) and mother Dinah (37), with brothers Alfred L (15), charles (12) and sister Edith (13, dress makers apprentice) and Kate (9) and Uram (?) (3). They were at 12 William St.
Following this , in 1880 Alfred Lloyd Burgess as at no 4 back 157 Latimer St South , which is off Gt colmore St. He is a hardware packer, and is then with wife Dinah, son Alfred Lloyd, and Charles, and daughter Edith
If you send me you email address by private message, i can send you a scan of the relevent pages
Apologies, but in the last post i put censuses as 1890 and 1880. It should have course be 1891 and 1881.
In the 1901 census Richard is at 203 Holliday St with his mother, who is now sarah, a widow. I presume iwas Sarah before, but still don't think it looks like it:
Sarah Burgess widow 47
Edith Burgess daughter 23 dressmaker
Charles H Burgess son 22 Brass-?
Kate E. Burgess daughter 19 Brick drawer?
Richard Burgess daughter 17 wood machinist
Uram (?) Burgess daughter 13
Elizabeth Burgess daughter 11
Annie Burgess daughter 8
Elsie M Burgess daughter 6
Nellie Burgess daughter 2
In addition, on ancestry there is a family tree including the above going down to Phillip Burgess. Incidently on it it states that Alfred Lloyds mothers name was Urum, so my Uram? Is probably Urum. but it also puts Richards wife as Dinah ! Can let you have it
Have rechecked the 1901 census, and now think that Charles was a Brassfounder, and Kate was a Brass dresser.
I have found another family tree. It apparently contains 533 people, but only a small number very close to you. This has given copies of some certificates, that I will send you. It looks as if the person (Osborne) compiling it has been reasonably thorough, but you should always check everything you can. The compiler did include a copy the criminal proceedings against a John Burgess (in relationship to John Hallworth .Burgess, who looks like being Alfred Lloyds father) although there was no Hallworth in the name, although it was in Leicestershire, with no other evidence of him being in Leicestershire at any time, and although he was sentenced to life transportation, but later references put him in Birmingham. There may be something I’ve missed , but this should make you only definitely accept what you can prove.
I'll agree with Phil there Mike, I wouldn't have the patience myself but I have been trying to follow you. It looks like a bit of a minefield.
Many thanks for your hard work. SB
Do not take life too seriously - you are not going to get out of it alive anyway.
Don't get me wrong when I say I am sad, perhaps that is not the right word at the same time I am a child with a new toy the information Mike has sent to me I never dreamt I could get I don't regret for a minute starting this in fact i started 20 years ago but I am amazed at what Mike has sent to me, you have to be prepared to take the good with the bad up to now it is all good, I never knew my dad had so many aunts and uncles you never know I may have long lost cousins, I was always led to believe my ancestors were from Ireland up to now they appear to be true Birmingham.
If you are just interested in censuses then Find my past has, i think, all of the censuses now, including 1911. I use ancestry. This also has access to some dirctories and also telephone books,but presumably iy would be costly to do a long search on these on credits, so for just censuses FM P would probably be best for you