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Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#1 by Voltman , Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:59 pm

There are a lot of things that infuriate me, many of them I have to keep to myself because our nanny state would fail to recognise my human rights and choose to do wrong by me in consequence.

Another reason I don't say these things is because it might spoil someones day.

I remember being informed that this was a family forum and that a sense of awareness of this fact should be evident in our posts, so I don't say those things here either, largely out of respect for our members, whether they have earned it or no, and because this is a public place. Free speech does not give us the right to offend or upset just because we can’t manage anything better.

Unfortunately, there are some members amongst us who get so wound up about things that they forget this principle and feel the need to put a dampener on every thread they find that doesn't fit in with their mostly negative view of life, and because they are so negative they mistakenly feel they have the moral high ground.
Not so. The fact that no one responds in kind merely shows that others don’t think it worth the effort to disagree.

There are people I do not always agree with, both here and in real life, but I understand that not everybody will see things the way I do, so I try not to convince anyone that I am right.
We all need to realise that none of us are a captive audience here and that other people have feelings also.

So, with this in mind,
this thread is for the venting of one's spleen on any subject where the thread that caused the need is unsuitable for the doing so, remembering at all times the public and family exposure of our comments.

Although if one wants to have a random rant then one should start one’s own sodding thread and stop hijacking others ideas.
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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#2 by Sheldonboy , Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:31 am

Thank you Volty a superb piece, I agree with every word.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#3 by astoness , Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:47 am

well dam said volty...great idea to have a thread where members can go without spoiling the basic themes of other threads...

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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#4 by phil ( deleted ) , Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:26 am

Volty

Right then I'll vent my spleen, if what you want is a website (I won't call it a forum) where you can make a statement that nobody can differ in opinion from then it's not the sort of website that I want to be part of. I have always thought that the idea of a forum was a site that you use to exchange views with those of differing opinions, where moderators are appointed to see that arguments do not break the laws of the country or the forum and to see that they don't get out of hand.

I would never be that conceited that I consider that my opinion is the right one and that no one should oppose it, I would point out that I would never be part of any organisation that does not allow dissention on any topic that is posted.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#5 by Voltman , Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:42 am

Phil,
This is a forum and it does invite opposing views, I also believe that any view should be stated without recourse to venom, hyperbole and unsubstantiated facts.
But there is a time and a place for debate, The starting of a thread by a member is not an automatic invite for anyone else to dive in and ruin the intention of the initiating author.

I would also point out that I am in no position to disallow anything on this forum, but in common with all our members, I do have the right to complain when I don't like what I see.

For instance, I love your threads about who and where is this. How would they go if we all came in and complained bitterly about every detail of the people and places depicted?
Well I wouldn't take part in them for a start.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#6 by phil ( deleted ) , Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:00 am

Volty

You and anyone else are welcome to come on any thread that I or anyone else for that matter starts and complain about the contents as long as it is pertinent to the thread. I will then endeavour to the best of my ability to answer your complaints, but if I think it is being done just to cause upset and disharmony on the forum then I will delete it. By the same token if you or anyone else were to complain that anything written on this forum was against the rules of the forum,

Forum Rules, Please Read

Then I would delete it if I thought you were right.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#7 by Voltman , Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:19 am

On that basis Phil, there is no point in starting a thread unless you are prepared for a debate.
No point in trying to be happy about anything in this place.
I don't plan to spend my time debating pointless issues or defending innocent pleasures but I do know what to do about it in future.

I have read the forum rules and would like to point out the following rules for further attention by those who can read but don't always comprehend.

No bad language
No arguing
No provocative posts designed to cause argument.
No hostility

I'll certainly try to do better.
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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#8 by phil ( deleted ) , Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:38 am

Yes I would point out that it could be interpreted that you have just broken all those rules except the "bad language" rule. That's why we have (I hope) impartial moderators who interpret and apply the rules as they see them like is done on every other forum. It's not a completely fair system, but it's the best we can have. As I say if we go down the road on banning anti posts on any subject then in my opinion we are no longer a forum.

If you don't like what is posted, then just ignore it. There are many posts on this and other forums that I don't agree with and I do just that "ignore them"


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#9 by Voltman , Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:49 am

Then please ignore all the posts, started by other members, that do not require a negative, hostile or opposing input. I have to do it with the political threads.
"No comment" for instance isn't really no comment, it is provocative.
I didn't respond to it, at the time, because the thread was about something that some members hold dear to their hearts and not a platform for debate about the royal family.

As administrators we should set an example. I apologise for my perceived hostility. Please note I did not name anyone.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#10 by phil ( deleted ) , Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:12 am

No I'm sorry I will never ignore any thread just because the poster thinks they have a right to be unopposed, are we now living in a state that bans opposition? So when someone says "No comment" they are being provocative? Now here is me thinking how good I was not voicing my opinion straight away. If you note you will see I have separated the few congratulatory posts in the other thread and removed the bulk of the thread elsewhere.

Whatever you may think at least it has got a few posts made to the forum more than we normally would have, and that in my opinion is what forums are all about. It's no good having a forum if you keep saying you can't say that or you can't do that. As long as posters don't break the rules with malicious intent then I think that is all we can ask.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#11 by Voltman , Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:15 am

You well know that I don't say you can't say these things, I simply ask you not to poison every thread with your depressing views.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#12 by astoness , Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:16 am

Quote: phil wrote in post #8
Yes I would point out that it could be interpreted that you have just broken all those rules except the "bad language" rule. That's why we have (I hope) impartial moderators who interpret and apply the rules as they see them like is done on every other forum. It's not a completely fair system, but it's the best we can have. As I say if we go down the road on banning anti posts on any subject then in my opinion we are no longer a forum.

If you don't like what is posted, then just ignore it. There are many posts on this and other forums that I don't agree with and I do just that "ignore them"



and thats the point phil....to quote your last sentence...."if you dont like what is posted then just ignore it " this did not happen on the thread welcoming our new prince george did it..SB didnt say after starting that thread "now who amongst us is happy about this royal birth lets have a debate"..it was just simply for those who were happy about it to congratulate the royal couple...it went totally off the happy theme of it with plenty of negativity going on upsetting those of us who welcomed this royal birth...is there not enough sad things going on in the world without spoiling what some of us class as a happy event for a change...i know that a lot of members on here know how in the past 3 and half years i have lost my mom...husband...dad only last may and 2 weeks after that my dads sister who attended his funeral passed away..so 4 close family funerals in such a short space of time...3 major deaths for me to try and come to terms with barely getting over losing one person before i lose another....kind of puts life in perspective for me does that....


 
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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#13 by phil ( deleted ) , Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:46 am

I'm sorry Lyn but if you want a forum like you are suggesting then we have to make a whole lot of new rules, because as far as I am aware at the moment the rules do not stipulate what posts can or cannot be added to with opposing views. I'm sorry I am never going to see that just because someone wants to congratulate a family of over privileged people on the birth of another to sit around the trough, that another member cannot register his or her protest. As I keep saying that is not what forums are about.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#14 by Voltman , Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:58 am

Just because one can post an opposing view doesn't make it compulsory. Registering a protest can be done by starting an appropriate thread.


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RE: Bitter and Twisted and Negative

#15 by astoness , Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:03 pm

Quote: Voltman wrote in post #14
Just because one can post an opposing view doesn't make it compulsory. Registering a protest can be done by starting an appropriate thread.




volty i was just thinking the same thing...thats a good idea for members to start a thread and at the end of it just put...COMMENTS WELCOME then those that wish to debate it can...i guess what i was trying to say in my last post was life is just too short...lets just enjoy the hand we were dealt..we cant change our lives or that of others...


 
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