RE: Holders Pubs in Birmingham, - 11

Lynn

I don't know if I have put this up before, but I was reading somethng the other day by our member pudding that the first owner of the Villa Tavern on the corner of Holburn Hill & Nechells park Rd was a C.Holder.

Whats a C Holder

Graham

What don't you understand about "the first owner of the Villa Tavern on the corner of Holburn Hill & Nechells park Rd was a C.Holder."

Quote: phil wrote in post #153

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Graham

What don't you understand about "the first owner of the Villa Tavern on the corner of Holburn Hill & Nechells park Rd was a C.Holder."

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Haven't been able to catch up with you all to-day, on this one.
Has anyone got a date for C.Holder and The Villa Tavern - mabe a relative of the Henry Holder that I have been looking at who went from being a butcher to being in The Rodney Inn.
Lynn.

From directories, remembering that date is probably a year or so earlier:
There seems to have been a beerhouse (unnamed) at 307 Nechells Park Road from at least 1872 and 1873 , when Benjamin Robb was occupier. It does not seem to be there in 1868. From 1876-1890 it is Thomas Holder, and then 1895-1905 it was Charles Holder (in 1903-1905 it is listed as Charles Thomas Holder, but I assume it is the same). By 1908 another landlady has taken over

Mike

Well 307 is the Villa Tavern, but as pudding will tell you the pub in my photo is not the original building because we have discussed this matter before. In the b&w photo there is a sign over the door saying built in 1897, the building certainly looks old enough for that. Though pudding didn't seem to think it was that old because I think he had a photo of the original pub dated later than that. The only thing is if I took a copy then I seem to have misplaced it and at the moment for some reason I can't view photos on the BF. Perhaps if pudding comes on he may be able to clear this up a little.

Phil
I realised it would not be the same building. I was just adding information as to the name Holder. The first occasion when i can find it named is in the 1896 Kellys , when it is listed as the Villa P.H. (though that does not exclude the possibilty of it being called the Villa Tavern) . It is listed as this till 1905, but with new ownership , in 1908, it is just listed as a beer retailer and this continues until 1936. However in 1937 it is fully named as The Villa Tavern. But, as shown below (Birmingham Post 9.4.1870), the pub (or at least a pub in Nechells Park Road) was named The Villa Tavern in 1870, so it is probable that it was always called that

hi lynn i dont know if this will help but my sister works at the villa tavern and i pass it when i visit our dad at the nursing home..been in a few times and im sure there is a lot of info on it on the wall..next time i am passing i will pop into the little back room and have a look to see what it says...could be useful..

lyn