The Boundary of Duddeston

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I've tried to scan the piece of this map, {not very well, I admit} that has the boundry of Duddeston on it and I think there is one - tiny little piece - of Aston Road running along the Border Line of Duddeston and Nechells.
Does anyone have any views on it. I don't know what the date of the map is. It's just one I got on eBay.
Lynn

I also, - if you can see it, in very small writing, marked Gt. Lister Street as Henty Holder lived there in 1841
Phil, have you covered Gt.Lister Street as yet, I'll have a look and see if you have.
Am progressing slowly forwards with all this and have now got to the stage of filling in many gaps.
Thanks again, everyone, for helping me in so many ways.
Lynn.

Lynn

These are all Aston Road, I think within the boundary you have drawn on your map. Not as early as you would like I think, but they are all I have.

Phil

Lynn

Any idea where on Great Lister St, because when I knew it there were more shops than residential premises, and although there were many large houses in the nearby area I don't think Great Lister St was known for its residential appeal but more as a shopping area.

Phil

Phil,
1837 Henry was a butcher annd address when married - Aston Road, Duddeston
1838 son born - address given as 81,Coleshill Street
1839 Henry - a butcher in 81, Coleshill Street
1840 daughter born - address given as 81,Coleshill Street
1841 Census - Gt.Lister Street in the Parish/Hamlet of Duddeston and Nechells - No profession or trade given - and no I haven't got any more of an address on this, as yet.
and by 1850 there was a new butcher in 81,Coleshill Street and Henry was in 89,Coleshill Street in the Rodney Inn
so - at this stage of his life I would think that in Aston Road and Gt.Lister Street he would have been more likely to have been living in accomodation that would have been within the means of a butcher before he moved on in life starting with the Rodney Inn.
Phil - Do you have any photo's of Gt. Lister Street - I haven't got down to looking to see if you have covered that as yet. If you have, tell me were to look it up.

I wonder would anyone have a street directory that I haven't found to see if Henry may have had a place for the family to live in, in 1841 in Gt.Lister Street whilst he was getting the property in Coleshill Street into order to finally become Holders Music/Concert Hall etc.

Thanks again.
Lynn.

Lynn
Tried to find Harry in the census (ancestry) to see if I could get a better idea of where he was by his neaighbours, but couldn't find him. In order to try & find him, when was it he was born . I know you have probably given it somewhere, but I don't seem to have written it down

Lyn

A few photos of Great Lister St, I have more if you find out where Henry lived I might be able to pinpoint the location if not the actual house.

Phil

Thanks Mike,

Henry Holder was born in Stoke Orchard, Bishops Cleeve, Gloucestershire on the 21st November 1811 and died in Lansdowne House, Gt.Malvern, Worcestershire on 27th Jan 1880

Lynn.

Thanks Phil,

I've just seen that you've put on a good selection of pictures of Gt.Lister Street - That gives a great overall view and I agree with what you originally said about it being a shopping area.
Phil If I get anything more on his address in Gt.Lister Street I'll let you know.

Lynn.

Lynn
Can't find him on the ancestry 1841 census, or on the Pink pges transcript. in fact I can't find anyone on Gt Lister st. so it might be that this parish is missing on ancestry for that year

Thanks for looking Mike. What happened on the 1841 Census was they had him down as Henry Holden instead of Holder.
May I ask - What is the Pink pges transcript, what do you mean by that and how do you look it up.
Lynn.

Lyn
The Pink pages are a free transcription of some of the warwickshire censuses at http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/. It is a bit awkward to consult, and as i ahve ancestry i don't often use it.
Now, regarding Henry Holderr in 1841. Three entries before Henry is a John Richards , pawnbroker, and two entries after is William turner. John richards , from directories is at no 13, and William Turner is in court 5 . Brewery st (later Adam St) is between no 14 and 15. This all fits in nicely with Henry being in th ehouse marked in red on the 1889 map. now this is all assuming that there have not been large changes between 1841 and 1889, but it does all hold together, and i don't think numbering will have changed in the period, even if houses have been knocked down and replaced.
Mike

Mike,

A question I've wondered about - is - can you tell me what does e.g. Court 1 , Court 2 etc. mean.

Then Mike, on your map - what street are you in - is it near to Gt.Lister Street or Aston Road which are the two places that he is mentioned in.
If I had the name of the street running down the map ?something dams street then I could look the street up.
Mike, from which directories do you get this map please.
I'm on Ancestry so am able to look at anything on that.
Lynn.

Lynn

Courts were a row or couple of rows of houses off the street often a the back of other houses. Sometimes they had wide openings for access but often the only access was a tunnel entry that went through the street houses. At the beginning of the 20th century there was a move to open up some of these courts to more light and fresh air by demolishing the street fronting houses.

This is a typical back court in the Newtown area of Birmingham early last century.

Phil

Sorry Lynn, I should have added the names of the streets. Below is a c 1913 map showing gt lister st with same building marked in red.First map was from old maps site . The position was worked out from 1941 census, 1841, 1845, 1855 and 1873 directories
Mike